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	<title>Comments on: Liar Liar &#8211; What more proof?</title>
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		<title>By: VirusHead</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/04/10/liar-liar-what-more-proof/comment-page-1#comment-4506</link>
		<dc:creator>VirusHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes a big man to have the courage to apologize for anything. Accepted.

But let me clarify once again. It is not my view of the President that is at issue. I don&#039;t hate George W. Bush. I don&#039;t know the man. But I do know the actions of his administration. It is not based on interpretation and speculation, and I am not alone in my assessment.

I know that you don&#039;t want to believe anything bad about this President&#039;s behavior. You think it&#039;s personal, like it was with the right-wing hatred of the Clintons. It&#039;s not. It&#039;s objective. He hasn&#039;t provided the leadership to hold the reins, to hold our interests safe. His priorities are out of order. 

We can argue about whether or not the power his administration has claimed is really constitutional. I think not, but as you say, that is a speculative matter that will be decided by history. I do know that you would quickly change your tune if it was a Democratic president who did this, so I do ask you to imagine it from that point of view. Left or right, no President should have this much power, should withhold so much information, should be this invasive of our privacy, should put us in such a precarious situation in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes a big man to have the courage to apologize for anything. Accepted.</p>
<p>But let me clarify once again. It is not my view of the President that is at issue. I don&#8217;t hate George W. Bush. I don&#8217;t know the man. But I do know the actions of his administration. It is not based on interpretation and speculation, and I am not alone in my assessment.</p>
<p>I know that you don&#8217;t want to believe anything bad about this President&#8217;s behavior. You think it&#8217;s personal, like it was with the right-wing hatred of the Clintons. It&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s objective. He hasn&#8217;t provided the leadership to hold the reins, to hold our interests safe. His priorities are out of order. </p>
<p>We can argue about whether or not the power his administration has claimed is really constitutional. I think not, but as you say, that is a speculative matter that will be decided by history. I do know that you would quickly change your tune if it was a Democratic president who did this, so I do ask you to imagine it from that point of view. Left or right, no President should have this much power, should withhold so much information, should be this invasive of our privacy, should put us in such a precarious situation in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/04/10/liar-liar-what-more-proof/comment-page-1#comment-4487</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 06:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He isn&#039;t doing all these things you are accusing him of doing and that is what I have been saying. I used jaded because that is the impression I have gotten when I read your posts. You make accusations based on speculation and interpretation and that again is why I end up questioning your view of the President. I do apologize for my tone of many of my posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He isn&#8217;t doing all these things you are accusing him of doing and that is what I have been saying. I used jaded because that is the impression I have gotten when I read your posts. You make accusations based on speculation and interpretation and that again is why I end up questioning your view of the President. I do apologize for my tone of many of my posts.</p>
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		<title>By: VirusHead</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/04/10/liar-liar-what-more-proof/comment-page-1#comment-4475</link>
		<dc:creator>VirusHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what you&#039;ve said before, but I don&#039;t really get the vibe that what you are looking for is understanding.

I am not jaded. I am neither worn out or wearied, not cynical, not callous. I am deeply disappointed and horrified that this is happening in America, and astounded that our spirit has fallen so low that we have allowed it. It&#039;s not who we used to be.

 If I were jaded, I wouldn&#039;t care anymore. I would assume that all structures of power were equally corrupt and exploitative and I wouldn&#039;t bother trying to express my thoughts on it, or to recommend actions that people can take even as &quot;armchair activists.&quot;

What makes me say negative things is that he&#039;s doing negative things, and his administration is doing negative things - things that affect all of us, and for some time to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what you&#8217;ve said before, but I don&#8217;t really get the vibe that what you are looking for is understanding.</p>
<p>I am not jaded. I am neither worn out or wearied, not cynical, not callous. I am deeply disappointed and horrified that this is happening in America, and astounded that our spirit has fallen so low that we have allowed it. It&#8217;s not who we used to be.</p>
<p> If I were jaded, I wouldn&#8217;t care anymore. I would assume that all structures of power were equally corrupt and exploitative and I wouldn&#8217;t bother trying to express my thoughts on it, or to recommend actions that people can take even as &#8220;armchair activists.&#8221;</p>
<p>What makes me say negative things is that he&#8217;s doing negative things, and his administration is doing negative things &#8211; things that affect all of us, and for some time to come.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/04/10/liar-liar-what-more-proof/comment-page-1#comment-4472</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would really like to understand why you feel so strongly that the President of the United States is so evil as you have described him. Not everyone sees things as jaded as you appear to and I am one of those people. So I am trying to understand what makes you makes you say all of those negative things about the President. 

You say all of these things are blatantly obvious, but you have to be pretty jaded to even look for things to say that he has done wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would really like to understand why you feel so strongly that the President of the United States is so evil as you have described him. Not everyone sees things as jaded as you appear to and I am one of those people. So I am trying to understand what makes you makes you say all of those negative things about the President. </p>
<p>You say all of these things are blatantly obvious, but you have to be pretty jaded to even look for things to say that he has done wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: VirusHead</title>
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		<dc:creator>VirusHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um Scott - this is why I try not to argue with blind ideologues. There really isn&#039;t anything I can say that would convince you - so why do you bother asking? 

Yes, the intelligence was known to be false even if you discount Chalabi and his influence. Intelligence was spun and cherrypicked. Look at John Bolton. Look at Cheney and Wilson. The Downing Street memo confirms that intelligence was being fixed around the intention to invade - to rationalize it.  We had the whole world with us after 9/11 - ever wonder why most of the world hates us now? When I say crony appointments, I am referring to people with either direct conflicts of interest or simple inability to do the job. Look up the appointments yourself - look especially at regulatory agencies to protect the American people and then see which industries the appointees used to fight for. It&#039;s all blantantly obvious.  And you really don&#039;t see corporate interests? The insurance companies WROTE the Medicare drug benefit plans...

Proof is looking at you right in the face from all directions. 

Having looked at your own blogs, it&#039;s clear that we would have a very difficult time finding anything at all in common, except perhaps being human, being American, and being parents. You only came back here again to try to antagonize me - we&#039;ve been through this before. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um Scott &#8211; this is why I try not to argue with blind ideologues. There really isn&#8217;t anything I can say that would convince you &#8211; so why do you bother asking? </p>
<p>Yes, the intelligence was known to be false even if you discount Chalabi and his influence. Intelligence was spun and cherrypicked. Look at John Bolton. Look at Cheney and Wilson. The Downing Street memo confirms that intelligence was being fixed around the intention to invade &#8211; to rationalize it.  We had the whole world with us after 9/11 &#8211; ever wonder why most of the world hates us now? When I say crony appointments, I am referring to people with either direct conflicts of interest or simple inability to do the job. Look up the appointments yourself &#8211; look especially at regulatory agencies to protect the American people and then see which industries the appointees used to fight for. It&#8217;s all blantantly obvious.  And you really don&#8217;t see corporate interests? The insurance companies WROTE the Medicare drug benefit plans&#8230;</p>
<p>Proof is looking at you right in the face from all directions. </p>
<p>Having looked at your own blogs, it&#8217;s clear that we would have a very difficult time finding anything at all in common, except perhaps being human, being American, and being parents. You only came back here again to try to antagonize me &#8211; we&#8217;ve been through this before.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/04/10/liar-liar-what-more-proof/comment-page-1#comment-4453</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because there aren&#039;t similarities between Nazi Germany and President Bush. Only the Looney Left make claims like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because there aren&#8217;t similarities between Nazi Germany and President Bush. Only the Looney Left make claims like that.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/04/10/liar-liar-what-more-proof/comment-page-1#comment-4452</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virushead, the Intelligence wasn&#039;t know to fe false before we went to war. So that blows your accusation out of the water. Downing Street memo says nothing about Blair or Bush doing anything wrong, so that blows that accusation out of thge water. No illegal surveillance was ever found again that blows your accusation out of the water. Corporate interests is more lies perpatrated by you and the liberal left. Crony appointments, that is one of the most laughable statement you have made yet. Every President from the beginning of our nation has appointed people they know and trust to be in positions in their administration. You act like only President Bush has ever done it. That is so outrageous even for you. 

So again you have showed no proof of anything that you accuse the President of doing. You act like the job of President of the United States is a simple job and that every decision they make is just to benefit a buddy of theirs. Oh thats right only President George W. Bush would do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virushead, the Intelligence wasn&#8217;t know to fe false before we went to war. So that blows your accusation out of the water. Downing Street memo says nothing about Blair or Bush doing anything wrong, so that blows that accusation out of thge water. No illegal surveillance was ever found again that blows your accusation out of the water. Corporate interests is more lies perpatrated by you and the liberal left. Crony appointments, that is one of the most laughable statement you have made yet. Every President from the beginning of our nation has appointed people they know and trust to be in positions in their administration. You act like only President Bush has ever done it. That is so outrageous even for you. </p>
<p>So again you have showed no proof of anything that you accuse the President of doing. You act like the job of President of the United States is a simple job and that every decision they make is just to benefit a buddy of theirs. Oh thats right only President George W. Bush would do that.</p>
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