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	<title>Comments on: JWs in the News: Convicted of whipping daughter to death</title>
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		<title>By: Okikili</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/05/15/jws-in-the-news-convicted-of-whipping-daughter-to-death/#comment-76337</link>
		<dc:creator>Okikili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know what the Bible says about the last day regarding who Jesus christ will appoint over his belongings here on Earth? When Jesus christ can to inspect the activities of does who profess to be his followers he told only a small group and the with alll indication it's piont to the then bible student who later become known today as the Jehovah's witnesses. If you have doubt about this, then tell me with all sincerity who then it is. So why should you speak against them, if you have a problem with an individual who go against bible standard, why not face the individual, Nevertheless, there is nothing you as an individual, or group can do to stop the activities of the witnesses since " WE HAVE THE HIGHEST BACKING"  that from Jehovah God himself. So keep talking, We keep increasing in number day in, day out. My advice to you is settle your difference with your congrgation elders and with Jehovah so as to be among the survivor of the great day of Jehovah the Almighty, Get out of BABYLON THE GREAT  befor it's too late</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know what the Bible says about the last day regarding who Jesus christ will appoint over his belongings here on Earth? When Jesus christ can to inspect the activities of does who profess to be his followers he told only a small group and the with alll indication it&#8217;s piont to the then bible student who later become known today as the Jehovah&#8217;s witnesses. If you have doubt about this, then tell me with all sincerity who then it is. So why should you speak against them, if you have a problem with an individual who go against bible standard, why not face the individual, Nevertheless, there is nothing you as an individual, or group can do to stop the activities of the witnesses since &#8221; WE HAVE THE HIGHEST BACKING&#8221;  that from Jehovah God himself. So keep talking, We keep increasing in number day in, day out. My advice to you is settle your difference with your congrgation elders and with Jehovah so as to be among the survivor of the great day of Jehovah the Almighty, Get out of BABYLON THE GREAT  befor it&#8217;s too late</p>
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		<title>By: VirusHead</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/05/15/jws-in-the-news-convicted-of-whipping-daughter-to-death/#comment-11132</link>
		<dc:creator>VirusHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, "kaka" returns.

Where is the false accusation? 

The conviction (not accusation, conviction) of the JW who whipped his daughter to death? 

The way JWs were (and maybe still are) encouraged to beat their children? I'm speaking from my own experience. Are you saying that I'm lying about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, &#8220;kaka&#8221; returns.</p>
<p>Where is the false accusation? </p>
<p>The conviction (not accusation, conviction) of the JW who whipped his daughter to death? </p>
<p>The way JWs were (and maybe still are) encouraged to beat their children? I&#8217;m speaking from my own experience. Are you saying that I&#8217;m lying about that?</p>
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		<title>By: kaka@kaka.com</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/05/15/jws-in-the-news-convicted-of-whipping-daughter-to-death/#comment-11122</link>
		<dc:creator>kaka@kaka.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FAlse Accusation</description>
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		<title>By: VirusHead</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/05/15/jws-in-the-news-convicted-of-whipping-daughter-to-death/#comment-5596</link>
		<dc:creator>VirusHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 14:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when they moved it indoors too.

In my house, it was more likely a belt than a spoon or switch. I remember my mom asking my dad to use his hand, so that he could feel how hard he was hitting, and he refused. 

I don't think they ever really considered all the effects of combining the biblical verses with the whipping...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when they moved it indoors too.</p>
<p>In my house, it was more likely a belt than a spoon or switch. I remember my mom asking my dad to use his hand, so that he could feel how hard he was hitting, and he refused. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they ever really considered all the effects of combining the biblical verses with the whipping&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/05/15/jws-in-the-news-convicted-of-whipping-daughter-to-death/#comment-5586</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 05:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the back rooms of JW kingdom halls.....I've seen more wooden spoons broken by parents spanking their kids in the bathroom than I care to remember.  And yet my still devout mother swears that never happened.  She says I'm imaging it.  

But, I remember the letter from the "Society" (world headquarters) that said to stop taking children into the parking lots for spankings because neighbors would get the wrong idea.

I'm so glad I left before I had children!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the back rooms of JW kingdom halls&#8230;..I&#8217;ve seen more wooden spoons broken by parents spanking their kids in the bathroom than I care to remember.  And yet my still devout mother swears that never happened.  She says I&#8217;m imaging it.  </p>
<p>But, I remember the letter from the &#8220;Society&#8221; (world headquarters) that said to stop taking children into the parking lots for spankings because neighbors would get the wrong idea.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad I left before I had children!</p>
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		<title>By: VirusHead</title>
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		<dc:creator>VirusHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think different people have different motivations for not questioning certain things - and of course we all have our "blind spots." Even rationality can be irrational, as we saw in Germany - the argument was "rational" - if Jews and Gypsies and such are a cancer on humanity - economically and genetically - then why not exterminate them like cockroaches? The conveyer-belt industrial factory style was part of the horror - but one could say that it was very "rational." People can use "rational" thought to justify all sorts of hate if they want to. I've recently discovered an example among my graduate school colleagues, and I'm still reeling from the shock (he made the news, even).

In my case, I was raised a JW - no choice about it at all.  In addition, I felt at the time as though I were in possession of the truth about God and the world, and that my faith would be rewarded by life on a paradise earth. I was primed with arguments as to why holidays were wrong to celebrate, etc. I still agree with the JWs that saluting the flag isn't an appropriate sort of thing at all, and that fighting in wars of aggression is just wrong, especially given that many on the other side are your religious brethren. In a certain sense, they have questioned certain things that others seem unable to question. 

However, when you self-righteously believe that you are right and others are wrong, it's an easy step to believing that you are good and others are evil. Then, others within the group are evil and must be punished and expelled. Then, everyone must be controlled. etc etc Your worldview is small, your paranoia is large - and of course we were all waiting for the end of the world anyway.

In the case of JWs, it was also a totalitarian structure - constant meetings with reinforcement of basic messages, reinforcement from all sides - peers and family and elders - the demonization of outsiders, and so on. But the main spine of the whole thing is the belief that a few guys in Brooklyn are God's messengers, and that to question anything from them amounts to a wholesale rebellion against God. 

A lot of it depends on one's view of God, along with the arrogant idea that we can know what God would be about - really. The JWs aren't the only organization that works this way. But it's one of the least worked out versions because it doesn't compensate for what it asks, except for the feeling of involvement with "the truth". Their people are pretty disposable - they don't care for the flock very well, and their numbers show it (not to mention the almost total lack of authentic spiritual insight).

As a result, many people are incredibly, viciously damaged by their mostly well-meaning family and former "friends." The mindset can almost be said to have a self-destruct button for when people leave. But hey, they are a superrich corporation, and they have an amazing MLM scheme - all their salespeople work for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think different people have different motivations for not questioning certain things - and of course we all have our &#8220;blind spots.&#8221; Even rationality can be irrational, as we saw in Germany - the argument was &#8220;rational&#8221; - if Jews and Gypsies and such are a cancer on humanity - economically and genetically - then why not exterminate them like cockroaches? The conveyer-belt industrial factory style was part of the horror - but one could say that it was very &#8220;rational.&#8221; People can use &#8220;rational&#8221; thought to justify all sorts of hate if they want to. I&#8217;ve recently discovered an example among my graduate school colleagues, and I&#8217;m still reeling from the shock (he made the news, even).</p>
<p>In my case, I was raised a JW - no choice about it at all.  In addition, I felt at the time as though I were in possession of the truth about God and the world, and that my faith would be rewarded by life on a paradise earth. I was primed with arguments as to why holidays were wrong to celebrate, etc. I still agree with the JWs that saluting the flag isn&#8217;t an appropriate sort of thing at all, and that fighting in wars of aggression is just wrong, especially given that many on the other side are your religious brethren. In a certain sense, they have questioned certain things that others seem unable to question. </p>
<p>However, when you self-righteously believe that you are right and others are wrong, it&#8217;s an easy step to believing that you are good and others are evil. Then, others within the group are evil and must be punished and expelled. Then, everyone must be controlled. etc etc Your worldview is small, your paranoia is large - and of course we were all waiting for the end of the world anyway.</p>
<p>In the case of JWs, it was also a totalitarian structure - constant meetings with reinforcement of basic messages, reinforcement from all sides - peers and family and elders - the demonization of outsiders, and so on. But the main spine of the whole thing is the belief that a few guys in Brooklyn are God&#8217;s messengers, and that to question anything from them amounts to a wholesale rebellion against God. </p>
<p>A lot of it depends on one&#8217;s view of God, along with the arrogant idea that we can know what God would be about - really. The JWs aren&#8217;t the only organization that works this way. But it&#8217;s one of the least worked out versions because it doesn&#8217;t compensate for what it asks, except for the feeling of involvement with &#8220;the truth&#8221;. Their people are pretty disposable - they don&#8217;t care for the flock very well, and their numbers show it (not to mention the almost total lack of authentic spiritual insight).</p>
<p>As a result, many people are incredibly, viciously damaged by their mostly well-meaning family and former &#8220;friends.&#8221; The mindset can almost be said to have a self-destruct button for when people leave. But hey, they are a superrich corporation, and they have an amazing MLM scheme - all their salespeople work for free.</p>
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		<title>By: darkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>darkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 08:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By reading your blog, I understand that you were one a JW, so please, do not take what I am about to say in offence.

What I do not get is this - and it is not just JW issues but all religions that preach such, to me anyway, barbarity - why, when you seem like an intelligent woman, would you believe - or have faith at least -  in something that you know is wrong?

What causes a rational thinking human being to start thinking irrationally like this?  Is it because you have no more hope in life and the religion gives you a hope?

I know i'm just an ignorant Aussie, but for the life of me, I'll never understand what makes an intelligent preson not question things around them.

I know fear would be a big part of it (NAZI Germany is one example), infact, that is the only reason I can see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By reading your blog, I understand that you were one a JW, so please, do not take what I am about to say in offence.</p>
<p>What I do not get is this - and it is not just JW issues but all religions that preach such, to me anyway, barbarity - why, when you seem like an intelligent woman, would you believe - or have faith at least -  in something that you know is wrong?</p>
<p>What causes a rational thinking human being to start thinking irrationally like this?  Is it because you have no more hope in life and the religion gives you a hope?</p>
<p>I know i&#8217;m just an ignorant Aussie, but for the life of me, I&#8217;ll never understand what makes an intelligent preson not question things around them.</p>
<p>I know fear would be a big part of it (NAZI Germany is one example), infact, that is the only reason I can see.</p>
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