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		<title>By: VirusHead</title>
		<link>http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2006/09/23/ask-a-former-jw-women-and-careers/comment-page-1#comment-26624</link>
		<dc:creator>VirusHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technical issue first: Multiple submissions are not required. You simply have to wait for me to approve your comment. This blog is moderated. Also, Libby and Liz are posting from the same IP.

JW&#039;s are certainly encouraged to make their own decisions - just so long as they are in alignment with the goals of the guys in Brooklyn. Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses receive constant &quot;guidance&quot; on even the smallest issues. If you want more official JW sources, a reading of even the cleaned-up versions at the official site will give you a sense of things. Putting your spirituality first is encouraged - that&#039;s one way to put it.

As far as wanting to be praised for my academic achievements, I have to say that it&#039;s a pretty common (and tired) objection. Is that the best you can do?  Can you not understand that my purpose here is to be a resource for others who have been JWs or who are dealing with JWs? Frankly, it&#039;s not rocket science to be able to do that. It just takes the experience of having grown up as a JW, in a JW family, and paying attention, and being able to draw a line - even in the Christian tradition - between following the authority of the Watchtower Society (or any other authoritarian group or party) and the higher values (which do not seek to control others) of compassion, spirituality and wisdom. My academic studies certainly helped me to understand how misguided some of their teachings and biblical interpretations are, but I rarely get into that sort of thing here. 

There are many reasons why each individual former JW decides to leave. In my own case, there were multiple reasons. Ultimately each person&#039;s spiritual path is their own. We are all unique, and each has their path to follow. 

My opposition is not to rank and file JWs, who for the most part mean well and who simply follow what they believe God wants them to do, as laid down by the corporations of the Watchtower. It simply doesn&#039;t occur to the average JW to question why he or she should serve in an unpaid salesforce to such a wealthy set of corporations. They don&#039;t ask who owns their Kingdom Hall. They don&#039;t ask why they aren&#039;t allowed to help non-JWs (except by bringing them what they call &quot;good news&#039;), or why they are discouraged from supporting the larger community in any way - even by voting. They listen to mindless, boring and repetitive brainwashing for hours a week, and believe that independent thinking and research are against their religion. I only have pity for such, not anger. My quarrel is with the authoritarian leadership who controls so many aspects of a JW&#039;s life - and doubly so for women. I see no evidence whatsoever that any god approves of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technical issue first: Multiple submissions are not required. You simply have to wait for me to approve your comment. This blog is moderated. Also, Libby and Liz are posting from the same IP.</p>
<p>JW&#8217;s are certainly encouraged to make their own decisions &#8211; just so long as they are in alignment with the goals of the guys in Brooklyn. Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses receive constant &#8220;guidance&#8221; on even the smallest issues. If you want more official JW sources, a reading of even the cleaned-up versions at the official site will give you a sense of things. Putting your spirituality first is encouraged &#8211; that&#8217;s one way to put it.</p>
<p>As far as wanting to be praised for my academic achievements, I have to say that it&#8217;s a pretty common (and tired) objection. Is that the best you can do?  Can you not understand that my purpose here is to be a resource for others who have been JWs or who are dealing with JWs? Frankly, it&#8217;s not rocket science to be able to do that. It just takes the experience of having grown up as a JW, in a JW family, and paying attention, and being able to draw a line &#8211; even in the Christian tradition &#8211; between following the authority of the Watchtower Society (or any other authoritarian group or party) and the higher values (which do not seek to control others) of compassion, spirituality and wisdom. My academic studies certainly helped me to understand how misguided some of their teachings and biblical interpretations are, but I rarely get into that sort of thing here. </p>
<p>There are many reasons why each individual former JW decides to leave. In my own case, there were multiple reasons. Ultimately each person&#8217;s spiritual path is their own. We are all unique, and each has their path to follow. </p>
<p>My opposition is not to rank and file JWs, who for the most part mean well and who simply follow what they believe God wants them to do, as laid down by the corporations of the Watchtower. It simply doesn&#8217;t occur to the average JW to question why he or she should serve in an unpaid salesforce to such a wealthy set of corporations. They don&#8217;t ask who owns their Kingdom Hall. They don&#8217;t ask why they aren&#8217;t allowed to help non-JWs (except by bringing them what they call &#8220;good news&#8217;), or why they are discouraged from supporting the larger community in any way &#8211; even by voting. They listen to mindless, boring and repetitive brainwashing for hours a week, and believe that independent thinking and research are against their religion. I only have pity for such, not anger. My quarrel is with the authoritarian leadership who controls so many aspects of a JW&#8217;s life &#8211; and doubly so for women. I see no evidence whatsoever that any god approves of them.</p>
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		<title>By: liz</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im an 18 year old female jw too, and i decided not to go to college when i left school. no one pushed me into this decision, i made it myself (i did well at school too). the reason i made this decision was because i wanted to put my spirituality first. some people think im wasting my life, but youre only wasting your life if your not doing what makes you happy.
also it is not true that the elders in a congregation pressure us not to go to college, i have never felt under any pressure. iv always made my own decisions and so have all my friends (any elder that does put pressure on someone, is not doing the right thing, and this does not represent the beliefs of all witnesess). my mum sometimes worried that when i was agreeing to what she said, i was not making my own decisions, and would one day resent her for it. but iv always made my own mind up all my life, even though im shy.
what people need to do, is give us some credit, and understand that we are capable of using our own minds, making our own decisions, and making the right chioces concerning our lives.
also jw women dont go for lesser jobs, my mum trained as a nurse before she was a jw (she could still have done this after she became a jw). she earns just as much as my dad.
i hope this helps. and  if this girl is happy thats all that really matters.

thanx xxxxx

ps. &#039;virus head&#039;  seems to dislikes jehovahs witnesess. if you want more accurate information about our beliefs please contact actual jehovahs witnesess, who will do their best to help you. 


something is wrong with the anti spam thing. this is the 3rd time iv tried to post my comment :S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im an 18 year old female jw too, and i decided not to go to college when i left school. no one pushed me into this decision, i made it myself (i did well at school too). the reason i made this decision was because i wanted to put my spirituality first. some people think im wasting my life, but youre only wasting your life if your not doing what makes you happy.<br />
also it is not true that the elders in a congregation pressure us not to go to college, i have never felt under any pressure. iv always made my own decisions and so have all my friends (any elder that does put pressure on someone, is not doing the right thing, and this does not represent the beliefs of all witnesess). my mum sometimes worried that when i was agreeing to what she said, i was not making my own decisions, and would one day resent her for it. but iv always made my own mind up all my life, even though im shy.<br />
what people need to do, is give us some credit, and understand that we are capable of using our own minds, making our own decisions, and making the right chioces concerning our lives.<br />
also jw women dont go for lesser jobs, my mum trained as a nurse before she was a jw (she could still have done this after she became a jw). she earns just as much as my dad.<br />
i hope this helps. and  if this girl is happy thats all that really matters.</p>
<p>thanx xxxxx</p>
<p>ps. &#8216;virus head&#8217;  seems to dislikes jehovahs witnesess. if you want more accurate information about our beliefs please contact actual jehovahs witnesess, who will do their best to help you. </p>
<p>something is wrong with the anti spam thing. this is the 3rd time iv tried to post my comment :S</p>
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		<title>By: libby</title>
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		<dc:creator>libby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my friend from scool is a jw, we r both 15. she always impreses me because she never swears smokes or anything like the others. and she is always friendly and seems to really care about my feelings. i can never find any fault in her. she never imposes her beliefs on me. if i ask her she tells me. she always looks for the best in people, and she seems very hapy too. so i dont know how &#039;virus head&#039; can be so bitter towards them. also my grandma was a jw she died when i was 9. i sumtimes went to the &#039;meetings&#039; with her because I wanted to. i actually miss it. i miss the family kind of atmosphere. and unity. everyone cared about each other. i might go bac one day.

btw: if &#039;virus head&#039; decided to stop being a jw because their academic acheivments were not rewarded, then it is clear that you just want praise for your &#039;knowlege&#039;, which is not what jw s feel is the most important. accademic supiriority is not a part of jws so i gather. all jws are equal.  in fact its probably a good job youre not a jw, or youd give them a bad name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my friend from scool is a jw, we r both 15. she always impreses me because she never swears smokes or anything like the others. and she is always friendly and seems to really care about my feelings. i can never find any fault in her. she never imposes her beliefs on me. if i ask her she tells me. she always looks for the best in people, and she seems very hapy too. so i dont know how &#8216;virus head&#8217; can be so bitter towards them. also my grandma was a jw she died when i was 9. i sumtimes went to the &#8216;meetings&#8217; with her because I wanted to. i actually miss it. i miss the family kind of atmosphere. and unity. everyone cared about each other. i might go bac one day.</p>
<p>btw: if &#8216;virus head&#8217; decided to stop being a jw because their academic acheivments were not rewarded, then it is clear that you just want praise for your &#8216;knowlege&#8217;, which is not what jw s feel is the most important. accademic supiriority is not a part of jws so i gather. all jws are equal.  in fact its probably a good job youre not a jw, or youd give them a bad name.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, im not sure if this is the right place for me to comment, but i just dont understand why these former jws have decided that it is not the truth. im a 18 year old jw, im not very strong but i still belive that it is the truth. i have had people try and tell me other wise but i can always back up what i believe. how can people who are older than me not see that it is the truth.

please reply to me, im not sure how this works, if i get a reply on email or if i have to come back here, i would just like a better understanding on how other people feel and why they have decied not to be jws anymore.

thanks mel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, im not sure if this is the right place for me to comment, but i just dont understand why these former jws have decided that it is not the truth. im a 18 year old jw, im not very strong but i still belive that it is the truth. i have had people try and tell me other wise but i can always back up what i believe. how can people who are older than me not see that it is the truth.</p>
<p>please reply to me, im not sure how this works, if i get a reply on email or if i have to come back here, i would just like a better understanding on how other people feel and why they have decied not to be jws anymore.</p>
<p>thanks mel</p>
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		<title>By: Wren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating blog.  Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating blog.  Thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: VirusHead</title>
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		<dc:creator>VirusHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clergy. They wouldn&#039;t call it that, exactly. All adult-baptised (no infant baptisms)  JWs are considered &quot;publishers&quot; or equal members of a ministry. If you ever read about a JW in the news, they will claim that they are a minister. That just means that they are a member of the congregation. Theoretically, women are ministers too, but you will rarely if ever hear that word used. They have a &quot;theocratic ministry school&quot; at one meeting a week, to illustrate how to witness to others - and there is an informal apprentice-type training with more experienced witnesses. I was witnessing even as a child. 

Witnesses keep track of their hours and report them, through the congregation, to New York. Pioneers and auxillary pioneers - who witness door-to-door for a specific number of hours per month - have special status. I&#039;m not sure what the required hours are now - I believe they have been reduced somewhat. 

In each congregation, there are also &quot;ministerial servants&quot; which is the mid-range position for a man judged to be responsible and upright, and then there are a group of congregational &quot;elders.&quot; They receive &quot;direction and guidance&quot; (rules, a handbook, and &quot;public talk&quot; -sermon- topics and outlines for each week) from headquarters in New York. There are some training centers for various functions within the organization, but congregational elders are discouraged from pursuing any real training in pastoral work, theology, history, or anything like that. The only qualifications are that you are a male in good standing when there is a vacancy and that the elders approve of you.

District and circuit &quot;overseers&quot; travel around, inspect each congregation and discipline the elders, and they give special &quot;talks&quot; to the congregation. From there, it&#039;s a little hazy and secretive. 

There is a &quot;governing body&quot; of men in New York, and a president of those men. JW can find out who they are, but somehow that&#039;s not really a line of thought that many JWs pursue. They are usually aware of who the president is, but beyond that they are careful, under the idea that no-one should be receiving too much attention. That is also the reason stated for not saying who writes the Watchtower articles. In fact, there are writers, but everything has to be vetted by the governing body, since the &quot;guidance&quot; provided is taken as straight from God. The &quot;governing body&quot; is considered to be &quot;God&#039;s channel&quot; on earth. It is assumed that they are all of the chosen, the elect, the faithful and discreet slave, of the 144,000 who will rule as kings with Christ in heaven after the destruction of this system of things. The &quot;great crowd&quot; of other believers who are not killed will live on a paradise earth (that&#039;s the big draw). There are other living members of the elect, but they appear to have no say in much of anything.

There are other workers - a pretty serious legal team, writers, the whole publishing house, farms, outposts in several countries, and so on. Some people do receive pay - and housing - but it&#039;s not very much. The primary salesforce is of course unpaid, although the hours are reported.

The Watchtower is the thematic bible interpretation, with articles that are &quot;studied&quot; in the second hour of the Sunday meeting. The Awake! has human interest stories, and articles of wider interest.

People advance by adhering to rules, not asking awkward questions, and expressing commitment and absolute loyalty to the organization. There are stories, both good and bad, about life among the Bethelites, but the average JW is pretty disconnected from that. JW life is centered at the congregational level, except for local and national &quot;assemblies&quot; which energize them with guidance
for days at a time. 

Who makes the decisions? At the family level, the man is the head of the household. At the local level, the word of the elders is absolute and the congregation is to submit to them. The elders in turn submit to overseers and New York. The governing body gets it right from God, they say. It&#039;s a top-down organization - they refer to it as a theocracy, and they mean it (despite the fact that one of their early rallying cries was &quot;religion is a snare and a racket&quot;).
 
There was a restructuring a few years ago, partially to separate different interests into organizational structures for legal protection.  And there may be a lot more to unravel here, such as the financial arrangements, ownership of the kingdom halls and other properties, and so on. Much of this is opaque.

But I think I&#039;ve answered your questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clergy. They wouldn&#8217;t call it that, exactly. All adult-baptised (no infant baptisms)  JWs are considered &#8220;publishers&#8221; or equal members of a ministry. If you ever read about a JW in the news, they will claim that they are a minister. That just means that they are a member of the congregation. Theoretically, women are ministers too, but you will rarely if ever hear that word used. They have a &#8220;theocratic ministry school&#8221; at one meeting a week, to illustrate how to witness to others &#8211; and there is an informal apprentice-type training with more experienced witnesses. I was witnessing even as a child. </p>
<p>Witnesses keep track of their hours and report them, through the congregation, to New York. Pioneers and auxillary pioneers &#8211; who witness door-to-door for a specific number of hours per month &#8211; have special status. I&#8217;m not sure what the required hours are now &#8211; I believe they have been reduced somewhat. </p>
<p>In each congregation, there are also &#8220;ministerial servants&#8221; which is the mid-range position for a man judged to be responsible and upright, and then there are a group of congregational &#8220;elders.&#8221; They receive &#8220;direction and guidance&#8221; (rules, a handbook, and &#8220;public talk&#8221; -sermon- topics and outlines for each week) from headquarters in New York. There are some training centers for various functions within the organization, but congregational elders are discouraged from pursuing any real training in pastoral work, theology, history, or anything like that. The only qualifications are that you are a male in good standing when there is a vacancy and that the elders approve of you.</p>
<p>District and circuit &#8220;overseers&#8221; travel around, inspect each congregation and discipline the elders, and they give special &#8220;talks&#8221; to the congregation. From there, it&#8217;s a little hazy and secretive. </p>
<p>There is a &#8220;governing body&#8221; of men in New York, and a president of those men. JW can find out who they are, but somehow that&#8217;s not really a line of thought that many JWs pursue. They are usually aware of who the president is, but beyond that they are careful, under the idea that no-one should be receiving too much attention. That is also the reason stated for not saying who writes the Watchtower articles. In fact, there are writers, but everything has to be vetted by the governing body, since the &#8220;guidance&#8221; provided is taken as straight from God. The &#8220;governing body&#8221; is considered to be &#8220;God&#8217;s channel&#8221; on earth. It is assumed that they are all of the chosen, the elect, the faithful and discreet slave, of the 144,000 who will rule as kings with Christ in heaven after the destruction of this system of things. The &#8220;great crowd&#8221; of other believers who are not killed will live on a paradise earth (that&#8217;s the big draw). There are other living members of the elect, but they appear to have no say in much of anything.</p>
<p>There are other workers &#8211; a pretty serious legal team, writers, the whole publishing house, farms, outposts in several countries, and so on. Some people do receive pay &#8211; and housing &#8211; but it&#8217;s not very much. The primary salesforce is of course unpaid, although the hours are reported.</p>
<p>The Watchtower is the thematic bible interpretation, with articles that are &#8220;studied&#8221; in the second hour of the Sunday meeting. The Awake! has human interest stories, and articles of wider interest.</p>
<p>People advance by adhering to rules, not asking awkward questions, and expressing commitment and absolute loyalty to the organization. There are stories, both good and bad, about life among the Bethelites, but the average JW is pretty disconnected from that. JW life is centered at the congregational level, except for local and national &#8220;assemblies&#8221; which energize them with guidance<br />
for days at a time. </p>
<p>Who makes the decisions? At the family level, the man is the head of the household. At the local level, the word of the elders is absolute and the congregation is to submit to them. The elders in turn submit to overseers and New York. The governing body gets it right from God, they say. It&#8217;s a top-down organization &#8211; they refer to it as a theocracy, and they mean it (despite the fact that one of their early rallying cries was &#8220;religion is a snare and a racket&#8221;).</p>
<p>There was a restructuring a few years ago, partially to separate different interests into organizational structures for legal protection.  And there may be a lot more to unravel here, such as the financial arrangements, ownership of the kingdom halls and other properties, and so on. Much of this is opaque.</p>
<p>But I think I&#8217;ve answered your questions?</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Crowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Crowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m  very curious about the JWS Hierarchy.
1. Is there any clergy?
2. If yes, how are they trained?
3. Who actually writes the Watchtower?
4. Who is responsible for interpreting the Bible?
5. How do people advance in the organization?
6. Does anyone earn  a salary for their services.
7. Who makes the decisions?

I&#039;d really appreciate an answer.
Thanks,
Elainna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m  very curious about the JWS Hierarchy.<br />
1. Is there any clergy?<br />
2. If yes, how are they trained?<br />
3. Who actually writes the Watchtower?<br />
4. Who is responsible for interpreting the Bible?<br />
5. How do people advance in the organization?<br />
6. Does anyone earn  a salary for their services.<br />
7. Who makes the decisions?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really appreciate an answer.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Elainna</p>
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