Comments on: Presidential Directives http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2007/05/30/presidential-directives-talk Contagious Thoughts, Mutating as Needed Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:07:23 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: sirguy_mandude http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2007/05/30/presidential-directives-talk/comment-page-1#comment-76943 sirguy_mandude Thu, 22 May 2008 20:11:20 +0000 http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2007/05/30/presidential-directives-talk/#comment-76943 I appreciate your effort than I do the comments of Don Thieme listed here. We should all read and debate just such documents as these for they are the light post to our future. I did the unheard of as did you and I read the documents in question for myself. I noticed what you did the strange feeling that I was reading a hinky document written in the company of the tree house. Dark plans leaving all kinds of outs for the president while still leaving him firmly planted as the top of the food chain. I could easily see how previous brain child documents were enacted by some one like Slick Willy. I had to laugh recalling his previous statements to America that he might be the last president we ever see. None the less for such a title as “continuation of government” you would not expect to see the house and senate put on a back shelf for latter reference so quickly. Given the efforts shown in their “fire drill” I think its plain to see that conventional government has no appeal to the Bilderberg Boys. The designers of the famed European Union, and Coming North American Union have no use for our previous governmental systems. But that’s just an informed opinion. I’m surprised that with all your honest notations on the subject, “noting all of the vague terms in a supposedly 1st world governmental battle plan” didn’t get your dander up more than that. I suppose you were tired from the review of the text. None the less I appreciate your effort more than you know. I appreciate your effort than I do the comments of Don Thieme listed here. We should all read and debate just such documents as these for they are the light post to our future.

I did the unheard of as did you and I read the documents in question for myself. I noticed what you did the strange feeling that I was reading a hinky document written in the company of the tree house. Dark plans leaving all kinds of outs for the president while still leaving him firmly planted as the top of the food chain.

I could easily see how previous brain child documents were enacted by some one like Slick Willy. I had to laugh recalling his previous statements to America that he might be the last president we ever see.

None the less for such a title as “continuation of government” you would not expect to see the house and senate put on a back shelf for latter reference so quickly.

Given the efforts shown in their “fire drill” I think its plain to see that conventional government has no appeal to the Bilderberg Boys. The designers of the famed European Union, and Coming North American Union have no use for our previous governmental systems. But that’s just an informed opinion.

I’m surprised that with all your honest notations on the subject, “noting all of the vague terms in a supposedly 1st world governmental battle plan” didn’t get your dander up more than that. I suppose you were tired from the review of the text. None the less I appreciate your effort more than you know.

]]> By: Don Thieme http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2007/05/30/presidential-directives-talk/comment-page-1#comment-75115 Don Thieme Wed, 30 May 2007 12:15:33 +0000 http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2007/05/30/presidential-directives-talk/#comment-75115 I am impressed that you made it through that whole thing. I remember reading a post on some other blog about this, and I did not understand how the earlier Clinton directive was being superseded by this new one. It seems pretty ironic to me that the objective all this is supposedly to maintain our "democratic" form of government with its three independent branches in the face of an attack. It clearly does grab more power for the executive and create an all-powerful "czar" with no obvious means of evicting him if he gets power-mad. I am impressed that you made it through that whole thing. I remember reading a post on some other blog about this, and I did not understand how the earlier Clinton directive was being superseded by this new one. It seems pretty ironic to me that the objective all this is supposedly to maintain our “democratic” form of government with its three independent branches in the face of an attack. It clearly does grab more power for the executive and create an all-powerful “czar” with no obvious means of evicting him if he gets power-mad.

]]> By: VCubed http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2007/05/30/presidential-directives-talk/comment-page-1#comment-75114 VCubed Wed, 30 May 2007 08:15:43 +0000 http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2007/05/30/presidential-directives-talk/#comment-75114 Nice first look. Here's what I've found troubling. Aside from all the ambiguous language, the first fact is Bush is once again eliminating congressional input with a Directive - not a law but a statement that now obligates Congress to fund it or challenge its constitutionality - and/or a Signing Statement to make his acceptance of any congress-passed law conditional. Second, Bush can declare anything an emergency - imagine him getting religion on global warming and deciding he must control everything with Homeland Security forces - think mercenary contractors as in Katrina - so that we can avert catastrophe! Remember, this is the President who believes in "preemptive" war! Many scary scenarios come to mind. Third, refer to second, in particular those pesky contractors with military helicopters, missiles, automatic weapons - working for money not belief in the Constitution or Bill of Rights especially - with their cute company logos "maintaining order" again, as they did with their weapons and tanks pointed at desperate civilians in New Orleans. Think the TV series Jericho, speaking of sci-fi with a reality twist that makes you squirm. In Jericho the Homeland Security chief, with all that power right at his fingertips if he could convince us to fear terrorism more than we loved our rights, staged nuclear terrorism and actually bombed us with nukes all over the country to take that power - and it's a Cheney-like eerie chief of Homeland Security who does it, with the help of those pesky mercenaries and some manipulated/infiltrated wanna-be terrorists. Fourth, as a Native, I resent the Directive extends to tribal lands, where the federal government does nothing but steal more land and drive rez residents to despair. Why would anyone relish having a bunch of paid commandos taking over their town/rez/city with only one Commander in Charge, and that one unaccountable to anyone? That's all for now - arthritis and such. Hope it helps you think about it. All the text on the Directive (just listen to that lovely undemocratic term - you're so right, words even their sounds mean so much!) is here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html Already chosen to head it is Mrs. Townsend, a very successful woman in her 40s who worked under Clinton's AG Janet Reno and, after being tossed out by the Bushies, made a place for herself to the level of primary confidante to the Inner Circle, working her way in through Condi Rice. A softball interview on a CNN transcript shows she was pretty devious and/or clueless when she was asked about Pakistan as unreliable partner in War on Terror, Bin Ladin not captured, War on Terror generally unsuccessful, etc., sounding like a wonderful Bush-parrot! See: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/28/sitroom.03.html. On her meteoric rise thru the ranks, see: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/26/AR2005082601511_pf.html Overall, I think giving any administration from either party that much power is a threat to our democracy, for how and when can we get it back? When it comes to this administration having that power, it keeps me up at night. Hope it wasn't TMI! Nice first look. Here’s what I’ve found troubling. Aside from all the ambiguous language, the first fact is Bush is once again eliminating congressional input with a Directive – not a law but a statement that now obligates Congress to fund it or challenge its constitutionality – and/or a Signing Statement to make his acceptance of any congress-passed law conditional. Second, Bush can declare anything an emergency – imagine him getting religion on global warming and deciding he must control everything with Homeland Security forces – think mercenary contractors as in Katrina – so that we can avert catastrophe! Remember, this is the President who believes in “preemptive” war! Many scary scenarios come to mind. Third, refer to second, in particular those pesky contractors with military helicopters, missiles, automatic weapons – working for money not belief in the Constitution or Bill of Rights especially – with their cute company logos “maintaining order” again, as they did with their weapons and tanks pointed at desperate civilians in New Orleans. Think the TV series Jericho, speaking of sci-fi with a reality twist that makes you squirm. In Jericho the Homeland Security chief, with all that power right at his fingertips if he could convince us to fear terrorism more than we loved our rights, staged nuclear terrorism and actually bombed us with nukes all over the country to take that power – and it’s a Cheney-like eerie chief of Homeland Security who does it, with the help of those pesky mercenaries and some manipulated/infiltrated wanna-be terrorists. Fourth, as a Native, I resent the Directive extends to tribal lands, where the federal government does nothing but steal more land and drive rez residents to despair. Why would anyone relish having a bunch of paid commandos taking over their town/rez/city with only one Commander in Charge, and that one unaccountable to anyone? That’s all for now – arthritis and such. Hope it helps you think about it. All the text on the Directive (just listen to that lovely undemocratic term – you’re so right, words even their sounds mean so much!) is here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html
Already chosen to head it is Mrs. Townsend, a very successful woman in her 40s who worked under Clinton’s AG Janet Reno and, after being tossed out by the Bushies, made a place for herself to the level of primary confidante to the Inner Circle, working her way in through Condi Rice. A softball interview on a CNN transcript shows she was pretty devious and/or clueless when she was asked about Pakistan as unreliable partner in War on Terror, Bin Ladin not captured, War on Terror generally unsuccessful, etc., sounding like a wonderful Bush-parrot! See: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/28/sitroom.03.html. On her meteoric rise thru the ranks, see: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/26/AR2005 082601511_pf.html
Overall, I think giving any administration from either party that much power is a threat to our democracy, for how and when can we get it back? When it comes to this administration having that power, it keeps me up at night. Hope it wasn’t TMI!

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