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	<title>Comments on: Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses Claiming to Follow the Christ</title>
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		<title>By: Offering Thanks and Kudos to Friends and Bloggers &#124; Telling It Like It Is</title>
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		<dc:creator>Offering Thanks and Kudos to Friends and Bloggers &#124; Telling It Like It Is</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] topics that I simply choose to avoid writing about anymore. I especially enjoy reading the sometimes heated exchanges that develop from posts she writes on the religion (I use that term loosely) we both grew up in. Go get ‘em [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] topics that I simply choose to avoid writing about anymore. I especially enjoy reading the sometimes heated exchanges that develop from posts she writes on the religion (I use that term loosely) we both grew up in. Go get ‘em [...]</p>
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		<title>By: VirusHead</title>
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		<dc:creator>VirusHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this has gone far enough. 

I do have a comment policy. 

Snowhoney,  I thought that maybe you could recover and find some traces of the fruits of the spirit - or basic civility - within you, so I gave you some leeway.

However, this is really over the top now. I really cannot allow this kind of malicious abuse and hate speech. 

In all fairness to readers, I will point out that even among Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses, Snowhoney is setting a very bad example here. 

 While JWs are trained to believe these things about worldly people and especially former JWs, they are not trained to spew this kind of hate in public.

Goodbye, Snowhoney. No further comments from you will be approved for publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this has gone far enough. </p>
<p>I do have a comment policy. </p>
<p>Snowhoney,  I thought that maybe you could recover and find some traces of the fruits of the spirit &#8211; or basic civility &#8211; within you, so I gave you some leeway.</p>
<p>However, this is really over the top now. I really cannot allow this kind of malicious abuse and hate speech. </p>
<p>In all fairness to readers, I will point out that even among Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses, Snowhoney is setting a very bad example here. </p>
<p> While JWs are trained to believe these things about worldly people and especially former JWs, they are not trained to spew this kind of hate in public.</p>
<p>Goodbye, Snowhoney. No further comments from you will be approved for publication.</p>
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		<title>By: snowhoney</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have to be &#039;TAUGHT&#039; to see that  you are &#039;EVIL&#039;..Plus...I did not say.....&quot;ALL&quot;  I said...&quot;MOST&quot;...try to read my words correctly.

I can see and read from your own words...to know that you are evil...that is plain as day!  Evil...hateful...and spiritual lost.  Deserving of Jehovah&#039;s wrath!

Yes...you and &#039;MOST&#039; of your readers...are puppets..being used and guided by the master of Puppeteers...Satan the Devil.&#039;..your Father!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have to be &#8216;TAUGHT&#8217; to see that  you are &#8216;EVIL&#8217;..Plus&#8230;I did not say&#8230;..&#8221;ALL&#8221;  I said&#8230;&#8221;MOST&#8221;&#8230;try to read my words correctly.</p>
<p>I can see and read from your own words&#8230;to know that you are evil&#8230;that is plain as day!  Evil&#8230;hateful&#8230;and spiritual lost.  Deserving of Jehovah&#8217;s wrath!</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;you and &#8216;MOST&#8217; of your readers&#8230;are puppets..being used and guided by the master of Puppeteers&#8230;Satan the Devil.&#8217;..your Father!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satan&#039;s most successful trap has been religion. Those caught in that quagmire of religion have conveniently and deviously divided themselves into true and false religion. And they for centuries have behaved like political powers, seeking to gain power for themselves and abuse the poor and naked. No wonder that the only interpretation of kingdom is government - some narrow-minded zealots are still vying for political power, and telling everyone else not to become part of an earthly political system.

Look Snowhoney, if being kind, thoughtful, able to reason logically and intelligently, reaching out to others and expending oneself on their behalf is what Satan promotes, then he is doing a darn good job. All you have done is insult, abuse, ridicule, name call and judge. Whose spirit are you manifesting? Do you remember what the works of the flesh are? You are giving a very bad witness, and you need to acknowledge your limited training. And please do not report your efforts at proselytising us &quot;Satanists&quot; as informal witnessing. But then again, Jehovah, in your interpretation and indoctrination, probably loves field service reports and publisher record cards. As if there are not more important things to do, such as demonstrating love, joy, peace and humanity...

Now I feel true sadness......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satan&#8217;s most successful trap has been religion. Those caught in that quagmire of religion have conveniently and deviously divided themselves into true and false religion. And they for centuries have behaved like political powers, seeking to gain power for themselves and abuse the poor and naked. No wonder that the only interpretation of kingdom is government &#8211; some narrow-minded zealots are still vying for political power, and telling everyone else not to become part of an earthly political system.</p>
<p>Look Snowhoney, if being kind, thoughtful, able to reason logically and intelligently, reaching out to others and expending oneself on their behalf is what Satan promotes, then he is doing a darn good job. All you have done is insult, abuse, ridicule, name call and judge. Whose spirit are you manifesting? Do you remember what the works of the flesh are? You are giving a very bad witness, and you need to acknowledge your limited training. And please do not report your efforts at proselytising us &#8220;Satanists&#8221; as informal witnessing. But then again, Jehovah, in your interpretation and indoctrination, probably loves field service reports and publisher record cards. As if there are not more important things to do, such as demonstrating love, joy, peace and humanity&#8230;</p>
<p>Now I feel true sadness&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: VirusHead</title>
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		<dc:creator>VirusHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what it breaks down to, dear readers. Take a good look. 

Now anyone that reads the blog is also an apostate? Honey, Snowhoney, most of my readers are not actually former Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses. 

Therefore, even by your own guidance from the &quot;faithful and discreet slave&quot; of the governing body, you have to admit that you have overstepped. I know that you are told that someone like me is really evil and possessed of Satan and all of that, but I actually have a rich spiritual life and I have spent most of my life trying to discern the ways of a compassionate ethic. 

I admit, sometimes it can be very difficult and trying. I bow to you, in that you have appeared as an adversary, one not unlike a psychic vampire. It&#039;s your kind of approach, your kind of assumptions, your inferiority/superiorly feedback link, and all the rest - that can truly make me approach despair. I feel the same way in politics sometimes. 

So, we are all on Satan&#039;s side? How do you think we might have been recruited? Does Satan have an agent for that, perhaps, like for sports teams? Or do you imagine that everyone who reads this is a secret member of a satanic cabal of some sort? If that sort of thing attracts you, look at the origins and documents of the early days of your own, presumably true-as-a-tupperware-party religious history. If you think I&#039;m Satanic, you should get a look at some of this stuff by your founders. They loved that &quot;new world order thing&quot; and they had interesting grave sites and properties of various kinds.

Jehovah has no reason to be wrathful with me, not if Jesus is, as you say, his son. I still wonder why this god was always alone in the universe, with no mate, but that&#039;s another story for another day... I am like all women - Ruth and Naomi and Eve and Mary and the excellent woman of Proverbs and the Shulamite Maiden and a million others. This is a complex cosmos, and I expect the spiritual principle - personalized or not - that resonates so brilliantly here to be a complex being also, unlike anything that we can capture and call truth by human standards. Jesus would be appalled by your use of his words, but you&#039;re not alone.

I feel that there are many groups  that share methods of &quot;shaping&quot; their members&#039; worldview with the JWs. My interest was more personal when I was young. But that was a long time ago now. 

Snowhoney - just look back on what you wrote.  I&#039;ll give it one more go here, ok? 

Understand:  To my very best awareness, there is no Satan patronage here. We are not sponsored by Satan, or by Hell, Inc. We have not been selected for team membership, and we are not necessarily deserving of Jehovah&#039;s wrath. Speaking for myself, I&#039;m not exactly sure if some of the biblical texts might not have been somewhat slanderous of God. I prefer the somewhat more mature God character, the one of love and compassion. Perhaps God became whatever we needed . It must have helped when the once urgent factors of land acquisition and tribal rivalries are sorted out. That&#039;s when religious groups of people are able to focus once again on the transcendent values. 

I would not be so adamant about some of the things I say on this blog if I saw humility anywhere. Every religion has its good points and its not-so-points, at least for me. But I have never seen such a combination of complete derision and fear-based insecurity as is instilled in Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses. Because they are completely manipulated, they think they are humble. Not so.  In a moment, they will turn from the service attitude - usually the most fake of the structures - to the vehement hatred of anyone that could possibly be having fun of any kind. Dour.  

I somehow don&#039;t feel certain that you truly feel sad if you do indeed believe (and there&#039;s no way of knowing) that I have &quot;fallen into Satan&#039;s trap.&quot; I mean, I feel so confident about taking your hand so that you can save me. (Oh I don&#039;t want to be patronizing in tone, but literalism is a curse in so many ways, and I am a little irritable today, and so I&#039;m pointing out that the previous sentence is heavily sarcastic, if not outright mocking).

Snowhoney - you have made your judgment. Several times. Why do you return and return when you obviously don&#039;t have any interest in discussion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what it breaks down to, dear readers. Take a good look. </p>
<p>Now anyone that reads the blog is also an apostate? Honey, Snowhoney, most of my readers are not actually former Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses. </p>
<p>Therefore, even by your own guidance from the &#8220;faithful and discreet slave&#8221; of the governing body, you have to admit that you have overstepped. I know that you are told that someone like me is really evil and possessed of Satan and all of that, but I actually have a rich spiritual life and I have spent most of my life trying to discern the ways of a compassionate ethic. </p>
<p>I admit, sometimes it can be very difficult and trying. I bow to you, in that you have appeared as an adversary, one not unlike a psychic vampire. It&#8217;s your kind of approach, your kind of assumptions, your inferiority/superiorly feedback link, and all the rest &#8211; that can truly make me approach despair. I feel the same way in politics sometimes. </p>
<p>So, we are all on Satan&#8217;s side? How do you think we might have been recruited? Does Satan have an agent for that, perhaps, like for sports teams? Or do you imagine that everyone who reads this is a secret member of a satanic cabal of some sort? If that sort of thing attracts you, look at the origins and documents of the early days of your own, presumably true-as-a-tupperware-party religious history. If you think I&#8217;m Satanic, you should get a look at some of this stuff by your founders. They loved that &#8220;new world order thing&#8221; and they had interesting grave sites and properties of various kinds.</p>
<p>Jehovah has no reason to be wrathful with me, not if Jesus is, as you say, his son. I still wonder why this god was always alone in the universe, with no mate, but that&#8217;s another story for another day&#8230; I am like all women &#8211; Ruth and Naomi and Eve and Mary and the excellent woman of Proverbs and the Shulamite Maiden and a million others. This is a complex cosmos, and I expect the spiritual principle &#8211; personalized or not &#8211; that resonates so brilliantly here to be a complex being also, unlike anything that we can capture and call truth by human standards. Jesus would be appalled by your use of his words, but you&#8217;re not alone.</p>
<p>I feel that there are many groups  that share methods of &#8220;shaping&#8221; their members&#8217; worldview with the JWs. My interest was more personal when I was young. But that was a long time ago now. </p>
<p>Snowhoney &#8211; just look back on what you wrote.  I&#8217;ll give it one more go here, ok? </p>
<p>Understand:  To my very best awareness, there is no Satan patronage here. We are not sponsored by Satan, or by Hell, Inc. We have not been selected for team membership, and we are not necessarily deserving of Jehovah&#8217;s wrath. Speaking for myself, I&#8217;m not exactly sure if some of the biblical texts might not have been somewhat slanderous of God. I prefer the somewhat more mature God character, the one of love and compassion. Perhaps God became whatever we needed . It must have helped when the once urgent factors of land acquisition and tribal rivalries are sorted out. That&#8217;s when religious groups of people are able to focus once again on the transcendent values. </p>
<p>I would not be so adamant about some of the things I say on this blog if I saw humility anywhere. Every religion has its good points and its not-so-points, at least for me. But I have never seen such a combination of complete derision and fear-based insecurity as is instilled in Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses. Because they are completely manipulated, they think they are humble. Not so.  In a moment, they will turn from the service attitude &#8211; usually the most fake of the structures &#8211; to the vehement hatred of anyone that could possibly be having fun of any kind. Dour.  </p>
<p>I somehow don&#8217;t feel certain that you truly feel sad if you do indeed believe (and there&#8217;s no way of knowing) that I have &#8220;fallen into Satan&#8217;s trap.&#8221; I mean, I feel so confident about taking your hand so that you can save me. (Oh I don&#8217;t want to be patronizing in tone, but literalism is a curse in so many ways, and I am a little irritable today, and so I&#8217;m pointing out that the previous sentence is heavily sarcastic, if not outright mocking).</p>
<p>Snowhoney &#8211; you have made your judgment. Several times. Why do you return and return when you obviously don&#8217;t have any interest in discussion?</p>
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