I’ve sometimes been accused of letting the left-wing off the hook in my criticism. Well, today you are in for a treat. I’ve found a pocket of hate and ignorance among some people who label themselves left-wing. I had a little back and forth on Facebook today, and was appalled to see this. Are you kidding me? I recognize the standard moves, but I’m not used to seeing them on the left. Such paranoia! Such hatred! Bah! Boooo!
Elijah [Goddamn this bullshit people. Do some people actually think that everything is a Zionist plot to enslave humanity?]
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Mary For Peace: Brother Elijah, I am sad to report that most of the world events MAY actually be Zionist plots. Remember we are in a battle of light versus darkness. There is no rest, we must always be viligant. Peace for all, not just for some is our goal. Be thankful there are people who watch these events, and can discern wickedness from good. We must always be on watch and let the people know. ♥
Elijah: To say that is to let off the hook other elements that are active in causing suffering. Other human beings are capable of foul shit too,
Kathy: You’re right, evil walks in many garbs. But the NeoCon world vision encompasses many human movements, including Zionism.
Mary For Peace: You are right brother. However, let us not ignore the “elephant in the living room” in other words, we all know who causes most of the pain & suffering in the world. It is wise to keep a watch on the Zionists, since they always seem to have a hand in the events of the world.
Heidi: The battle of light versus darkness runs down the center of every soul. What hubris to think that you are watchers – this is just hate. Jesus was a Jew, and all his followers were Jews. You are a sick person to call yourself “Mary for Peace.”
Mary For Peace: OK Heidi, you made your point, no doubt you are a follower of the Hatriot movement or Palin supporter. There is a big difference between a Jew and a Zionist. Please get off the internet and go read a book for a change. Educate yourself before calling names.
Elijah: @Mary, Mrs Heidi is neither. Keep this civil.
Mary For Peace: Ok Elijah…….I understand where you BOTH are coming from. Since she started the name calling and you do nothing about it…..we are at a stand still aren’t we? You must prove yourself here or we will simply take both your words and hers to show what you guys really believe in……..WE ARE WAITING……???
Heidi: I’m left-wing, progressive, and also a religion scholar. Not a Palin supporter. Israel is as divided as the US, and there are all kinds of Zionists. How do you separate what you’ve said from hate speech?
Elijah: @Mary, I have no idea what you are talking about. This is not a war between factions. This is a Facebook status. We are adults and are capable of having a rational discussion on the topic at hand. I don’t really have to prove anything. Just look at my posts.
Mary For Peace: Heidi, both you and Elijah are showing your true colors today here. I am not in the mood to entertain Zionist supporters disguised as peaceful people. You both are trying to pick fights with peacemakers instead of focusing on the true problems. Shame on you both. To pick fights within the ranks is showing that you both support the other side, we know this is a favorite tool of Zionists to try to divide people. Good bye to both of you, I do not waste my time & effort on Zionist trolls here on Facebook.
Heidi: Ummmm…. so this is someone who thinks in a very binary way, I guess. Zionist troll? Wow – that’s a new one for me! lol
Kathy: Seems to me a matter of semantics here. Actually, most progressive souls are divorcing themselves from the Zionist label, even if they support the Israeli people. I think it’s more important for all of us to recognize the neocon world order supercedes Zionism and all other isms. And Heidi did call Mary “sick” first even though Mary’s statement was completely legitimate. But, sorry, Mary, you’re overreacting. Elijah is far from a Zionist troll. By the way, I won’t be back.
Elijah: Zionist supporter? Really? I do not support the Israeli regime in any way. But I do recognize there are other forces out there that seek to control and imprison the minds of people. Everything isn’t a Zionist plot to destroy the world.
Heidi: I do think that it is pathological to call yourself Mary for Peace while expressing hatred for a whole group of Jews, and invoking pseudochristian biblical interpretations…
Mary For Peace: Kathy, you are right, Heidi owes me an apology for calling names. However, what does she and Elijah expect when they pick the fights? Do you guys think people will roll over and allow you to walk upon them? NOT THIS PERSON. SORRY. Elijah is DELETED for not speaking out, if he put someone into check for their name calling…..HOW CAN HE STAND UP FOR BIGGER CAUSES?
Heidi: I don’t support the current right-wing policies of Israel, but I would make a distinction between opposing policies and hating people. Evidently that’s not seen as “peaceful”? Very odd.
Mary For Peace: I love the Jewish people……but I DO NOT LOVE ZIONIST POLICIES. Like I said before…..please educate yourself. Even many Jews in Israel do not support their Zionist regime!
Heidi: Perhaps you should leave it to others to discern evil from good. Just sayin’.
Crystal: Mary may I suggest stepping down from your pedestal? Reading through the comments the hate & name-calling started and ended with you. I think there are much better ways to get ones point across.
Elijah: Pick fights? I’m just not a fan of this extreme hatred of Jewish people. I’m a student of history and knows what happened to the Jewish people for the actions of their elite. I see the same sort of hatred rising up again.
Heidi: Perhaps you might also look up the history of the word Zionist before telling others to educate themselves?
Elijah: So Mary I’m on the other side? Really? If that is the case so be it. I think for myself and am not a slave of group thought.
Elijah: So much for that. Feelings go so hurt that I’m deleted and blocked. Oh fucking well. Everything ain’t a Zionist plot and some people are weak as shit.
Heidi: Sorry, Elijah. If it’s important to you, maybe you can patch it up. Didn’t mean to mess anything up. The performative irony of the accusations reminded me of so many other haters that masquerade as compassionate people that I took it as a teachable moment. Guess not.
Heather: well said my friend…well said!
Elijah: @Heidi, I’m not going to budge honestly. Blind hatred of Jewish people often results in mass slaughter. The Middle Ages, The Russian Revolution, the Holocaust. I do hate the Zionist elite with a freaking passion. But often times the blind hate gets taken on on the people who are just like us. If Mary can’t see that, then she doesn’t need to be Facebook friends with me.
Heidi:Even Wikipedia has a decent entry on the history of Zionism. I have no real problem with Israel as homeland, but there needs to be peace in the region – and fairness. I do get nervous with any kind of supernationalism (including in the USA). However, the religious overtones made her references much more a matter of anti-Semitism than of opposition to policy. What “plots”? Sheesh.
Elijah:It is bad in some respects in the anti Zionist movement. You have people who will latch on and believe in crap like the Elders of the Protocols of Zion. It is sad.
Heidi: Besides, I prefer to keep the “watchers” in the angelic function. It’s not our job.
Heidi: Remember humility?
Heidi: Judge not?
Heidi: I just don’t understand how anyone can believe that hate leads to peace. It never has, and it never will.
Elijah: But many times people don’t see their actions as hate.
Heidi: That’s why it needs to be called out.
Heidi: Her very first comment made it very clear.
Elijah: Agreed. To blame everything on Zionists is to let the other criminals off the hook.
Robyn: I think the Pentacostals are run by a bunch of angry Christian Giraffes out to destroy Trader Joe’s. So forget your Zionists…this is the real threat.
Robyn: Hey at least my conspiracy isnt’ full of irrational hate
Erica: You’re either with me, or you’re a Zionist? :)
Cheryl: “I am sad to report that most of the world events MAY actually be Zionist plots.” I don’t see this as antisemitism at all. Many Christians are Zionists. I actually agree with her statement here. It is not saying everything is a result of Zionism but Zionism is a major cause of destruction in the world today and THAT my friend is the elephant in the room!
I don’t know Mary and I don’t even know if we are FB friends right at the moment. To be honest I was more offended by some of Heidi’s comments than Mary’s. Maybe Mary got more upset then you feel she should have. I did see it as Heidi was directly attacking Mary from the start when Mary was speaking in general and not about any particular person here at 1st. Heidi you started it.
How about this below Heidi the “religion scholar” I guess you were taught from that faulty Scofield Reference bible or not? The one that has deceived Christians for decades now?
“Jesus was a ‘Judean’, not a Jew.”
“During His lifetime, no persons were described as “Jews” anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the “homeland” of the ancestors of those who today style themselves “Jews”. Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their “homeland”, and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a “Jew”. The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term “Texan” signifies a person living in Texas.”"
In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called “Jews”, they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as “Jew”. The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled “Jews” today refer to as “Jews”, were known as “Pharisees”. “Judaism” today and “Pharisaism” in the time of Jesus are the same.”
“Jesus abhorred and denounced “Pharisaism”; hence the words, “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers”.
Then head over to:
“Were it not for mega millions of misled Christian Zionists in America who support Israel’s warmaking agenda in the Middle East there would be no occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and Philistin…e, and children could sleep soundly in Lebanon, Iran and Gaza confident that no american made bombs would fall on their beds tonight.”
“Zionism denies most basic teaching of Jesus and the Prophets. The church-centered pro-Zionist group that influence the largest voting bloc in the U.S.A, practice the reverse of what their leaders say they believe. Southern Baptists and most non-denominational mega-churches are led by TV celebrities, profess that the Bible is the literal, inerrant word of God, preserved by His hand. They teach not from the ancient words, but from man added footnotes and commentaries inserted into several popular study bibles, which often avoid or deny Jesus words.”
Now Heidi call ME antisemitic! I despise ALL Zionists and their supporters many whom call themselves Christians. Which category are you in as far as religion goes? I was raised in a Christian home I have some Zionists in my own family that know I am against their un-Christlike support of Israel and its wars against the Muslims.
You wanna talk about discrimination? Let us talk about the Muslims or how about the genocide of some of my ancestors the Native Americans?!!! There are many genocides to speak of besides the “Jews” and their “6 million”. Yet why is everything focused on them? Many more Christians and Native Americans have been genocided than that. They sure don’t print THAT in our government funded text books in schools do they now? Where are THEIR museums Heidi that make us forever feel responsible and sorry for them?
“Thus, according to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a “vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record.” Some say the number is even higher than this!
About that Scofield hoax played upon the Christian Zionists:
Heidi: Um… actually, the Pharisees were one faction, the legalistic one. And I will reiterate that there are many kinds of Zionism in addition to the flavor of the year. I think the US is at least as much to blame, if not more so, for pre-emptive war. Your scholarship is faulty, but I’m not going to argue with “true believers” because I’ve found it to be a pointless exercise. If you wanted to, you could research the topic among people who are actually trained in the fields that you are cherry-picking. I don’t take seriously a website that is focused on paranoia and the “Illuminati” – all obsessions of the far-right as well. Yes, many Native Americans were killed as well. Lots of people all over the world have been killed. It’s not a contest for biggest victim. Seriously?
Heidi: Here’s how you know not to take someone seriously as an adult: “Remember we are in a battle of light versus darkness…We must always be on watch and let the people know.” Putting things in terms of demonization is childish and inaccurate, and slows down real progess.
Heidi: Oh – and there is general agreement about both the King James and the Scofield bible, as well as the “New World Translation” and others. Real scholars read in the original languages or from a concordance of reputable translations. No points.
Heidi: Perhaps you could do less despising and more constructive actions for the causes you support? Just a thought.
I’m against the imperialist goals of neo-cons, and I do believe that Israel has taken a turn to the hard-right in its policies. But I also know that the USA has become much more right-wing – in its policies of the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive war, the ongoing wars, the disregard of the actual needs of the American people, the corruption toward the very top of the economic ladder, and a million other things.
It’s so very tiresome and predictable to fear-monger and scapegoat. Why not direct some valid criticism where it belongs?
Mix paranoia with religion, and ugliness ensues. I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. I just didn’t know that there were apocalyptic pseudo-Christians on the left, too. The ones on the right make much more noise.